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Permission to Heal Episode #25 - A Conversation with David Hennessey - The WONDER Technique, personal development & simplifying our unique goals.

May 05, 2021 Marci Brockmann Season 1 Episode 25
Permission to Heal
Permission to Heal Episode #25 - A Conversation with David Hennessey - The WONDER Technique, personal development & simplifying our unique goals.
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 “Simplifying the ability for people to live happy healthy lives.”

20 years ago, David Hennessey created a holistic personal development program called The WONDER Technique that he has presented at 100s of workshops and seminars. His formal training is in Psychology and nutrition and his goal is to give the fundamental tools of personal development to everyone on the planet. He also loves hiking and rock climbing!

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hello. Hi everyone. And welcome to permission to heal. I am Marci Brockman, and I am thrilled that you're here today. I have David Hennessey. Thank God for zoom cause he's from France and I'm in New York. 20 years ago, David Hennessey created a holistic personal development program called the wonder technique that has continued to evolve over the years.

David has presented the wonder technique at hundreds of workshops and seminars. His formal training is in psychology and nutrition, and he has traveled over 20 countries and lived in three of them. His goal is to give fundamental tools of personal development to everyone on the planet. It's pretty amazing.

He is passionate about simplifying the ability for people to live happy, healthy lives. And he also loves hiking and rock climbing. Welcome David. I'm so glad you're here. Thank you, Marcy. This is a pleasure to be here, to share some time with you long distance, but it's great. Yeah. You know, before the zoom thing, one of the blessings that came out of this pandemic was I think in some respects in many respects, it.

It shrank the world for us, because we have this opportunity to have conversations across the Atlantic ocean.  I've had guests from Australia, and I would not have met them, let alone been able to converse with them on the podcast without zoom. And I don't think any of us even knew zoom existed before the pandemic. So true. Yeah. I didn't know. So he's always looked for the silver lining, there is always, always you ha I'm very intrigued by this wonder technique. I have done a little bit of research on you, but not enough where I know the answers to your questions. So I would love to dive into that, but before we get started, let's do the six quick questions.

You ready? Ready? Okay. Ready? What six words would you use to describe yourself? Okay. Well, I know that they'll know I'm no longer alive when I'm no longer curious. So curious is one of them I've always been super curious that has never left me as I've got older. I'm also more and more adventurous. You mentioned a little bit about the rock climbing and most people would have taken up rock climbing maybe 30, 40 years ago, but being who I waited till much later in my life to get involved in one of.

The greatest experiences of my life right now, which teaches me in all kinds of ways. I'm also super energetic. Most people like when we go, I go rock climbing, for example, people way younger meter. Like we need to pause and rest. I'm like, wow, because I'm just like, I'm so excited about doing stuff. And perhaps in contrast, but maybe not with those three words, I'm also very focused and that I used to not always be, I've trained myself to be focused.

I'm also very patient. And I can be very relaxed. Most people think I'm always on the goal because they look at my life from the outside. But in fact, the balance of being at a pause is like, as I shared before in music has the silence between the notes, which actually allows us to hear the music.

And my life was like that. I always take pauses before the opportunity with you today, I took the time to sit and to wait and be ready for you, wrote it and be rushing till the last minute, because life is often like that in the past for me, I was notorious for being late until I made a commitment to myself to respect her to people and not be late and push myself to be on time.

And that's, that's brought me a lot of peace. So that's the six words. That's cool. Yeah, I, I was born two weeks late and I feel like I'm always a little bit late for things, even though I try not to be, I have reminders and multiple reminders and I set timers and alarms in my phone and on my watch. And I try really, really hard to be on time.

And I've gotten a lot better today. Notwithstanding I apologize for being late. And I think that it's for me, a failed attempt, I guess, at trying to be more productive, trying to squeeze more in, get more things done and I underestimate the travel time. Okay. So that's where I get with that. My husband, I make him crazy because if he's not early, he feels like he's late.

Okay. So he's really helped me a lot in that capacity because I want to try to help mitigate his anxiety. And I know that if we're a little bit early or at least on time, that it would be better for everybody. So I allow him to control that a little bit, which is good. Yeah, totally balanced each other, the understanding of each other.

And it's great. I think that's important. All right. Number two. What is your favorite way to spend a day? Hiking in the mountains as high up as I can be like up in the Alpine, as we would say, I spent a lot of times I used to live in British Columbia, Canada. So you'd spend a lot of time down, low in the woods and the trees before you get up to the top.

And now living in the South of France, when I go to the Alps, I'm going to be a pretty high and I'm working on a trail that's 2,500 kilometers. So probably about 2000 miles. We're doing a bit by bit friend, friend of mine and myself, and we do pieces of it each year. And we've done the whole enter the French Alps now.

Already has one portion at a lot of times, we're really high up. It's just absolutely breathtaking and spectacularly the whole world from there. Oh yes. So that's, that's always a great day for me, even when I'm alone. Sorry. No, go ahead. I have this habit of interrupting. Go ahead. Um, often I go hiking on my own, which some people might say, that's not a great idea, but you know what, if you looked at my backpack, I've got stuff that I could be out there several days on my own.

And I've, that's what I call resilience in advance. I'm always prepared. I've trained myself to anticipate in my whole life over the years, and you can see that in different areas, like. In my backpack in my car, I've got the jumper cables in the house Avenue, fire extinguisher. Most people like I've never had a fire at home.

And, uh, every time I've used the jumper cables to help someone else with their car, but it's like, it's just having the tools in place. And I think about taking care of ourselves and our health and wellbeing is about knowing the tools in advance. So we have them when we go through stressful periods, like we all have in the whole world in the last year.

So I was, I am very fortunate that what I knew before entering this moment in time that I'd worked on for a long time. So it gives me with, with great gratitude, the opportunity to help people during this time. That's cool. Yeah. I have an extinguisher fire extinguisher under my kitchen sink and jumper cable in my back.

And to me, you're, you're an irresponsible homeowner and car owner. If you don't have those things, you do people do when I've encountered a lot. Okay. I'll trust you on that. I haven't actually done any of the surveys. So yeah, I, I guess being the, uh, former girl scout and the mom of an Eagle scout, I, uh, preparation I realized is, you know, key, it's an integral thing.

You know, in fact, we, I was never a scout, but in Arland where I was born does a Gaelic phrase. My Gaelic is I would budge for it. I know much more French than I know Gaelic, but there's a phrase in Gaelic, which is, I believe beelove, which translates into English is be prepared. And that's a scouting phrase.

And that is really, you know, in everything in life. If we think about things being prepared from everything from. Our, you know, our relationships to go in for a trip in the car. You mentioned that we just talked about the cables problems happening in the world. If, what if I lost my job? Do I have some savings?

What is the stores are closed? Which we've had happen like tomorrow, the stores are all closed. You can't go out in France. Ah, do I have any food? Like do people wait till the last minute? Not people in general, but some people won't will not be prepared and it's always good to kind of anticipate what would happen.

How can I deal with this? And this is not an obsession. This is not a paranoia. This is just being simply prepared. Like you have bandages at home in case somebody cuts themselves. You don't wait till somebody cuts themselves. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. My, my husband was, uh, slightly aggravated because I have us on a, on an automatic delivery of paper goods, napkins, paper, towels, toilet paper, and they're all.

Um, made from bamboo. So it's more sustainable and better for the earth. And, and he was like, why did you order more? We have so much in overstock downstairs already, but last year, a year ago, we were very low and none of the stores had anything because everybody was panicked about buying. And I'm like, so these are the things that the basic staples of running a household that I don't want to run out of.

So I'm glad I have a surplus, you know, hoarding, but, um, exactly. And in fact, what that allows you to do as well is if someone else is short, you can share with them, this is what I do. I have extra stuff like in my backpack, I have two emergency blankets, which fold-up super small, smaller than the Palm of your hand.

But if I'm on my own, I meet and I've met people missing stuff on the trail, in the mountains. So by being prepared, it allows you. To help other people. And we're really here in the world to help each other carry the load and you know, in a gentle way, hence this podcast. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. People have sort of tongue in cheek made fun of me, my whole adult life, because I carry a very large purse and it is filled with all sorts of stuff that most of the time I don't need, but if somebody needs Advil or Tylenol, because they have a headache or they need a bandaid or they need, you know, uh, hair ties or they need, you know, whatever, I've got it.

So they'll tease me. Oh, Marcy and her big purse, but someone needs something. I'm the one they go to. They joke that I'm a pharmacy, but if you've got into gestion, I'm the one you want in your group, you know? Exactly. Exactly. There's always a reason. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Good training by my, uh, By my mom. Uh, what is your favorite childhood memory?

The thing that comes out most is I love taking things apart and that ties actually into the wonder technique. That's the curiosity. How does things work? I mean, my biggest memory of taking things apart was taking part in the electrical lamp when it was still plugged in, which was probably not the wise.

Yep. Yeah. They get a shock for sure. And I was just so curious. I was even curious enough that I would take a little tires off toy cars and cut the tires and a half just to see what it felt like. Like how does it cut? Like I would just want to know how things work and. Well, it's really hard to put rubber tires back.

Not that, but the way you took apart, were you able to actually I'm, you know what, when I originally, well, you would notice very few people do. When I originally went to university before I ended up fully immersed in psychology, I went from mechanical engineering because I was very good at working on engines and cars and figuring out things.

And that was because I was really young. I was studying how things worked, taking engines apart, and just a curiosity. And that kind of moved from physical things to humans over time, trying to figure out the simplest way to help people because we make things way too complex in my opinion. Yeah. Cause I think we overthink way too much.

Yeah, absolutely. Um, number four, what is your favorite meal? My favorite meal, I would say will. Okay. Considering your multinational background. I can't wait to hear that. Well, actually this is very simple and straightforward and meal would, if it includes salmon, I'm very happy because I grew up in British Columbia, most of turd of my life in British Columbia.

And we can get, you know, fresh salmon off the boat. And because the nutritional side of me knows how good wild salmon can be for me. But to me, I'm not infatuated with food because of its nutritional parts, but I'm aware of it, but I'm also enjoying it. And, and the harmony with, uh, instead of farmed fish, the harmony of nature and the cycle and everything, of course, some people will totally disagree with me, but I think that, um, pretty much everything that we eat, it's a bit of controversy here.

It's dead when we eat it, like if I pull an Apple off the tree, I've ended its life for me to eat it. And if I pull the fish out of the ocean the same. So, but it's just a matter of respect for, for what we're using to nourish our bodies, but then sort of question simply salmon, nothing in particular. I know that listen to some of your other podcast guests and you have more depth to it, but in, in terms of foods, I'm quite a simple person.

How do you like your salmon prepared? Usually it would be baked in the oven. Yeah. Very simple. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Maybe I'll make salmon tonight. What I find very interesting and that I would have been completely wrong in my prediction. Now this is. I've only been doing this podcast since, since November of 2020.

So it's not like I have a wealth of, uh, responses to this yet, but more people are picking fish or seafood than anything else. And I wouldn't have thought that I would have thought it would have been like a typical like car bloated, comfort food kind of thing. But that's not the case, which is quite interesting.

I don't know if it means anything, but it's interesting. Yeah. We would take a total left turn if we started talking about why that's a good idea in terms of foods as against people taking fast burning foods in their buddy, but then right. I can do this whole different conversation with different conversations with your nutrition background.

We could go there too. Yes. I mean, we can go many places with the wonder. Yes. Okay. Ready for the next? What one piece of advice would you like to give your younger self. Well, this I know for sure. Relax, David it'll all work out because I was very intense, not just as a young person, but even as a teenager into my early twenties where like trying to make sure everything worked and, uh, and just not relaxed, like very, very stressed worked in what way?

Meaning that you, how shall I say, having to get like the perfect grades, having to, having to know everything? Like I would walk into a test and I would know everything, uh, like it was like, the book was still in front of me that I was studying because I studied it too beyond the need. So. Trying to overdo everything to make sure I knew everything.

And as I know now in life, you just have to leave space and experiences. And if you don't know something, well, that's a learning experience. It's not a failure. I don't like to use the word failure because I don't think there is failures. I think there's the only experiences. What do you get from them? And you have to allow things to happen and be willing to do things differently.

I mean, I know from listening to your podcasts before where you talked about how you proposed in your marriage, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I thought that was very cool. And being, you know, willing to do things differently, not exciting tracking things to go well, because most people do it this way. This is what I have to do.

So I've, I've learned over time to take apart my own mind question, are these things great? Okay. I can accept that. I'll still keep using that until I find a better way. And then being open. Yes. But before it was like, no, this has to work. Even if it's not working, I'm going to still try and make it work.

This doesn't work at all. So that's why I'd say relaxed. David he'd love work. That's a good one. I think a lot of us, when we were younger, made the same choices, you know, the same kinds of mistakes I'll put in quotes. You know, I think that we, as we grow older, hopefully we become a little more self-aware or a lot more self-aware and we have the experience behind us to be able to stop ourselves from that, you know, like trying to do to solve the same problem in the same ineffective way over and over and over again.

It's just a recipe for driving yourself. Insane. Exactly. Right. True. Very true. Last question. What is the one thing you most would like to change about the world? My goal is it was a wonder technique, but it's part of the expression of my life is to help people focus more on what's simple than complex.

The best example that I have is that often I meet people who are going through a difficult moment in their life, particularly in relationships because we're, you know, relationships are very, very important. Yeah. And yeah. It sounds so amazing. They will they'll tell me, I'm having a challenge with a person and I'll say, well, when did you last talk to them about it?

I haven't talked to them about it yet. And I'm like, okay, tell me more. It's like, is how recent is this like weeks ago? And it's like, if there's no conversation, how can you build rapport and build understanding, right? And nowadays, sometimes people will choose to completely end the relationship, brought it in, tackle the challenge of it.

I see that too. And I don't understand if you're willing to say, I never want to talk to you again. You're not risking anything by having the conversation because you've already adjusted yourself to the loss of the relationship. So why not go for broke and just say what you want to say. I don't understand that people will do almost anything.

To avoid the pain and discomfort of a difficult conversation or something they feel is confrontational. And I don't get that. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And this, this comes down to us as humans. We're, we're looking for joy, love, happiness, to give, to use your phrase permission, to heal, to allow ourselves, and as I've encountered over the last year, uh, especially going through the pandemic, which is still with us is that a lot of people are very hard on themselves, amazing people that are hard on themselves, and they need to give themselves permission to be loved, which is permission to be healed because we all have inside of us, an enormous capacity to love.

And the mistakes that I've made in my own life is when I don't recognize that really. Love is a great healer, right. You know, I I'd say sometimes show love on the fire. Like, you know, if, if you, I'm not perfect, I'm always in process of learning. Right. But I can't think of a way without using love to help solve a problem.

However, I've been taught that some it's really important to learn that another person's approach is not going to be my approach, which goes back to what we talked about earlier about, you know, relaxed David will work out. So even though you want something to go a certain way, it may not go down the way.

And that's part of loving is accepting. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I have to say your piece and let the other person take or leave what you said. You know, you can't make them take it. You can't make them do what you want in the way that you think that they should. Exactly. You know, I mean, we don't even have that control.

Or that effect on our own children let alone another adult. You know, I used to be a chronic people pleaser and felt like I was, I don't know what made me think this, but I felt like I was the one that had to help them solve their problem, whatever their problem was that it was up to me to make them happy again, to bring them back to status quo, you know, and I was very rarely successful because you can't really do that for somebody else.

You know, if it's a simple little task, like a physical task, okay, fine. You can do that. But if it's anything really meaningful, it's kind of impossible. And, um, I have learned through a lot of therapy and a lot of sitting quietly with myself and some journaling to let go. I say my peace and I walk away.

Yes, and they'll do or not do what makes them what makes sense to them. And that's that. Exactly. That's very true. We all have our own process that we're working on. Right. And we're all doing the best that we can at this moment in time. And, uh, and we all do things differently and that's, uh, I mean, it's an interesting thing to think about as human beings.

We're also different. And for the understanding, you know, me talking to you between men and woman, we have different ways of looking at things to recognize that and see that, okay. Even though I do it this way, or I think about it this way, this is not going to be the same way that you're going to think.

And if you, we do align on it, that's wonderful. But even if we don't align on it, that's also wonderful. It's positive because you're learning something about the other person. These are lessons that I continually. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's possible that in discussion philosophically, we could absolutely agree dead on, but then depending on situation in practice, it would deviate and become idiosyncratic.

You know, it's not always consistently what it is. People are weird animals. What can I tell you? We're amazing. This is what makes us so different and so enjoyable because if you think about the inverse, if you looked at, if everybody was so similar, how would that be? Oh gosh, like let me out. Right. You know, life is good Twilight zone episodes about that.

You know, it's just scary. It's just a, it's, it's an incredibly good the richness of life because we're so different. And just the acceptance of the differences. That's the good news. You know, we have some bugs in our software to make us think that people. That are different are not great. And that's a bug in the system.

There's a problem there. Yeah. Because we're all, we're all beautiful and all, we're all, whatever expression we are. And it doesn't matter what age, where we're from, what we look like. It doesn't matter. And that's the coolest thing I think. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that, uh, some of that fear of people being different is somewhat politically motivated.

I think that certain leaders like to have us divisive against each other. And so that they can miss appropriate blame and deflect blame and stay in power. Yeah. This is a psychological thing is like the other, the other technique. Yeah. And I think that that's somewhat pervasive. I know in American culture, in New York where I live it's it's that way.

And I think in pockets all over the United States, it's that way I can't, I've never spent an appreciable amount of time in any other country, unfortunately. So I can't speak to that, but, um, but we need a lot of work to get back to any sense of community mindedness that we may or may not have used to have.

I don't know if that sentence made any sense, but, um, I sense a more, a more appreciable separation and lack of community mindedness, a lack of. Empathy toward other people and their circumstances we're ready hand extended and help and assistance than there used to be. And I don't know if that's true or it's just my sense of it, you know, I'm not sure anyway.

Well, I will say Marcy that from my experience from traveling and 23 countries that I visited and most of them for a chunk of time, this is as being the greatest lesson for me to understand people better. Now I've lived in three countries, longterm, Ireland, Canada, France, meaning more than 10 years. And when I traveled as well, like I was in Northern Pakistan before I went up into the Himalayas.

And when you go to places, what the media says, and we're talking to media in general, social media, everything reality is very different. You know, it's like the experience of life is very different when you move around and you travel and you meet people on their home base, like. Living in France. Now the perception, I remember I spent time in France before I moved from Canada to France, with my family and the perception of North America, how French people live and the midst that roll around in the heads of people, whether it's through books or movies, just doesn't match what life in France.

And you know, the, like the stories like the Irish people. I always remember people saying, Oh, the Irish, they love their drinking. They're always drinking. I remind people that in Ireland, like in the houses have always been very small. And what happened like, I mean, I have family where to six people living in a two bedroom home, and the only place that you could go out and socialize was to go to a pub.

The pub was, this was a community center. It wasn't because the Irish people are infatuated with drinking. Alcohol is because. You can invite three, four friends over, you've already got six people in the house. You got one room plus the kitchen, the kitchen's too small to stand up and it's like, and you need your own bit of space.

So there's lots of pubs in Ireland because it's a social meeting place. Right. But public meeting houses. Oh yeah. Right. You better believe how many people gallium eat. And they assumed that I drink a lot, which I don't. And it's like, it's, it's perceptions that are based upon myths that are conjured up over time.

But the beauty is, is when you go to different countries, you get a real feeling as to what life is all about. If you spend a little bit of time and you're also traveling, like I traveled with a backpack, I traveled, um, roughly compared to way rough in the sense that I wasn't staying in fancy hotels and things like that.

So traveling in buses, going across the deserts and North Africa, and you, you go, you're tall, you're with the local people, you got a sense of what they're like, and you try and converse and, and you kind of stumble along. But this is where we learn about the diversity of us as human beings. And we also get to see what life is really like.

This is my perception. I could be completely wrong, but of course everything in my mind is framed by my experience, the people who I know who are world travelers, like you have said the similar things to me. Yeah. So it's very important that I think for like my children, because we've moved around a bit, they have had different experiences in different places.

It's very good for people to experience what other people, and then you kind of go, Oh, okay. Now I see. Okay. Yeah. Like when I was, I remember again, mentioning in Pakistan when you went to a marketplace up in North of Islam, the dad, and this was normal life where people would go to the market. We got off the bus to get water before we were heading up towards Nanga Parbat and, um, they had vegetables.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they had fish. Like they had meats for sale and had guns for sale in the market. It was just out there like, and it was, to me, it was like, Whoa, hang on. But this is because like the local people were hunting and stuff. Like it was normal. It's part of the culture, like in France, there's still a huge amount of people who hunt.

It's a, and, and it's like, you go out hiking and you've got to watch out for some guy with a gun that's out hunting for wild boar. And I never had that in Canada. I, no, it's more, I'm more sports or for food. It's. The I I'm not a Hunter, so I wouldn't know, but they, they do eat what they shoot. I, my assumption is that that, um, it's complex.

Right. But there's, there's, there's people who still do that, but yeah, it doesn't like it when Canada, when I hiked for years and years in the mountains and ever met people out there hunting. So it's a, it's a, but it's part of the culture in France. There's still a certain portion. I don't know what percentage of people who like to go hunting and it's now kind of like, okay, when I go hiking, I need to be a word I have to pay attention for signage that says, uh, the Leon Shasta is, uh, does a hunt going on.

And I can't go in that area because I don't want to accidentally be in the way of something. So, so, but you get, you kind of get a feeling, okay. So this is part of the culture here, huh? You know, in Canada, there's lots of black bears. So I'm like, okay, got to pay attention to that part of the culture. I'm not worried about bears here.

I'm worried about hunters. So anyways, I'm digressing a little bit here. Yeah. Just be aware of your surroundings and take it all in. It's the wonders of being human on this planet. You know, there are many, many things that bind us together and make us the same and many other delightfully joyful differences.

So, yes, for sure. Okay. So let's dive into the wonder technique. I want to know what this is. Okay, catch us up. Explain it. Where did it come from? Okay. Well, it originated around the time that my mum had gone through cancer. When I speak in the nineties, 1990s, and I spent time with her and I started to, I wasn't the only person that always like to make sure I say this spending time with her, but I went with her on two appointments and dad and I was working on trying to make things easier for her to understand when you're dealing with a medical issue.

You can be very, you will be very stressed. It's not, you can be most cases you will be. And to understand how you mapped those things into your life, new habits that you have to create can be very hard. And I love, as I mentioned before, to simplify things, Marcy, and I was like, okay, how can they make this easier?

Sit on. My mum could practice as a habit. So as she recovered, I spent more time learning more. I'd already well, along since finished going through university in psychology, I started taking more training in different things like nutrition and that, and looking for the simple pot. And what has happened is I started the wonder technique as a.

Shall we say a protocol as a system back in around 2000 and I started teaching seminars and workshops. And what is very interesting to me, as I've mentioned before to other people, is that over the last 20, 20 plus years, I can see where the consistency of the core principles of health and wellness still exist.

Like some things come and go, but some things don't change and some things become much, much clearer. When I started out at a great example, there was research talk about it, but not as much belief in it, the importance of sleep and how, when I look at things holistically, in terms of our health and wellness, our personal development, how we live.

If you're not sleeping properly, this will impact everything. Everything, not just your longevity, not just her fertility, it'll impact your ability to recover from exercise. It will impact your ability to meditate. It will impact your ability for you to choose the right foods, to be stable in relationships.

You have to, there's all kinds of things that come from that. Then I will say, move aside from the sleep and go to the foods that we eat. People want to take the time to quiet the mind and relax. But if you're playing with your blood sugar level, by the foods that you're reading, you can't sit still. You can't harmonize.

You may not be able to sleep properly because you've eaten too soon before you went to sleep. All of these things, what I call cross pollinate, which is not really the right word, but they impact each other. So there's all parts of our lives. And when we take things into a silo and say, you know what, I can manage my health and wellbeing by just exercising.

It's helpful. It works. It's important. It's not sufficient. So the one, the technique is based on the principles that over the years I've gathered assembled together. And I keep on looking to find connections and to eliminate things that are not correct. And I'm always looking like to take a piece of coal and crystallize and make it like in the blue diamond, like where it makes sense.

And I've had discussions, shall we call them with nutritionists? Who say you don't need to drink that much water because once you drink tea, coffee, and juice, that's okay. And I'm like, hang on a second here. Tea and coffee. They're diuretics to actually pull water out of your body. How can drinking those be sufficient?

Well, you'll get water from your foods. How much water is the food? What food are you eating? Like I I'm, I'm like. Being what we call an English to devil's advocate. Like I'm saying, hang on. This doesn't make sense. Instead of general identifying yes, we do need to drink water. And then the next step, which most people will look at well, okay.

I know water is important and I can give you a number of reasons why water would be important for your body in terms of your, your F your hydration, the impact on the cause of potential causes of headaches, fatigue after exercise, even people I've read books, say your body's many, many, many years ago, your body's many cries for water.

People that help to alleviate pain in their back by hydrating their body properly. Because of the fact that you have biological water inside the disks that are inside your body, like there's all kinds of relationships between hydration in the human body. And then I say to people, well, the key thing here is.

When you, for example, if it's water, you want to make the habit, you have to make water available. And right now in the world, we don't travel around as much, but we will get to do this soon. And the best way of dealing with that is bring which you water, wherever you go. You've got something here, right? And I right beside me, I have a glass of water here.

I have this red water bottle with me. It's perfect. So when you travel around, it's available because if it's not available, you're not going to be able to drink and you can make in that habit. And I mentioned yesterday on a podcast, I said, the lady was asking about making habits. And they said, well, you make you choose one thing.

One solitary ID want to work on. For example, hydration. It doesn't matter what it is, but we're talking about water. The second. And then you take your calendar, not on your phone, physical calendar, like the old calendar on the wall. And you cross off a day as you start to make that goal. And because you're seeing it, you're taking the action.

There's something about the physical interaction between hand and paper. You're a writer. You notice there's something different. Maybe you write digitally, there's a choice, but there's something very powerful about that. Kinesthetic the feeling, the touch of doing it and, uh, seeing, okay, one day, wow. Two days, great, three days and you're building up the habit.

And then once you've established that kind of compounding effect that you can use positively in your life and also negatively, you can create bad habits too. So what you want to do is den say, okay, I can add something else. So you're doing one thing at a time changing. Prince or modes of behaving one thing at a time, one thing at a time, that's the simplification instead of the complexity.

And it's also, actually, if you think about some people that are trying to find out why I've have an issue with food, they do an elimination, diet, eliminating things, right? And if you work on one thing at a time, then you get to see, Oh, this is making a difference. But if, for example, you decide to take a meditation exercise, hydrates your body, change your diet all at the same time, you're not going to know exactly.

It's very hard to figure out what's working inside of that whole system. Right. But if you just, you keep everything and you mentioned you journal, so a person writes down, okay, this is what I did today. This is the, you know, you kind of, you can rate yourself in the morning if you want simply how do I feel right now when I wake up in the morning, do I feel energized?

Yes, no kind of like you can rate yourself on a scale of one to 10, if you wish. And do I feel excited about my day? How do I look at it? Great, fine. Then at the end of the day, how do I feel? What did they change about my day? Did anything change? Because I'm now drinking more water or did anything change?

Because I got up in the morning and I did an exercise and I want to underline it here. An exercise that I enjoy, that not somebody told me I need to do, but something I enjoy doing, how am I feeling? Or I quit the exercise, like running that I don't like doing only my friends like doing it, but I don't like it.

But now I'm doing rock climbing and I love it. How do I feel about that? So you, you kind of re uh, introspective, you look at yourself and say, okay, I'm making positive changes. How am I feeling about it? You need to assess what's going on and what's working because maybe you need to readjust it. It's kinda like when you're running a business.

Yeah. I, I started a little over a year ago. I was seeing a dietician just to help figure out what was going on. And I did one of these elimination diets. We started with like 10 foods that I was eating for like two weeks. And, and then slowly started adding things back in, based on my own body's inflammatory response to a bunch of foods done in a laboratory and a blood test for us, like 175 blood tests.

But yet you get the idea. Um, and since then I've been keeping a journal. Um, what I eat for each meal, what I drink during the day, and then another column for, um, medicines for. Um, like vitamins and supplements. How did I sleep? How did I feel? What did, what I ate last night? How did that affect how I slept?

How did it affect how I felt when I woke up? Um, how did I feel during subsequent days based on what I've eaten. And I started to see patterns of certain foods that caused hot flashes and certain foods that if I ate sugar at night, I would wake up with a headache. Um, and depending on what that was, I might say, okay, I'm going to enjoy this food now, even though I'm going to have a headache tomorrow, because I love this so much, it's a trade off.

Uh, and I find that it, it helps be mindful of what it is that I'm doing. And I'm not just on autopilot eating it just because everyone else is or eating it because it's convenient to wear because I always did or whatever. Like I'm, I'm really trying to figure out how all of this. Affects my own attitude, my own mood, my own sleep, digestion, weight gain, et cetera.

So it's a process. I haven't figured it out yet, but yeah. And great courage. You have to work on this because there's a choice not to, and there's a choice too, and that's what you're doing and it's not easy, but it's, it's 50. And my voice, my body just doesn't feel like it used to. And you know, between a hysterectomy and menopause, I feel like more akin to a brain transplant than anything else.

Nothing feels the same. Every single body system has changed. Um, cause hormone production has changed. And so I'm I'm I had to do for me and my own, an analytical brain. I had to do this elimination diet and. The, the, the tracking of things through this chart I have on my computer that I made in, in order to figure out, to reacquaint myself with this biological system, that's now housing, my brain, you know, it feels like totally different.

It may look the same from the outside, but from the inside very different. And there's where you're leaning onto the wisdom of taking action by making a choice. Because if you make a choice, you might find out I don't want to continue, but you, at least you made the choice. And for those people that are listening to us at this moment in time, and the conversation that we're having at some point in the future, Marcy, that's the key in life is where we make choices.

And we don't just keep on rolling because what we do today is creating the life that we have tomorrow, every action that we take and what we did before today has led us to where we are now. So once we acknowledge that we do have control over where we're going. We can make changes if we want to, if we feel we need to, but it's the consciousness, it's the mindfulness that you're talking about.

And that awareness that over time, for example, for me, when you practice things and you figure it out, what works for you, it becomes so much easier. Like I don't think about, am I eating good quality food? It's because that's my habit now. Right? It's, it's all in place. I'm not worried about it. And I don't penalize myself.

And this is a whole framework that you, so over time you decode everything, you figure it out and then you just kind of go with the flow. And then you, you see, and one of the things that you mentioned about, you know, assessing your day and not for people, this can be very, very important because you might find out that one of the reasons why you kind of hold an attentive conversation with the person that you love or your children, and that could be because you're biochemically out of balance because of something that you're doing.

And w that awareness can just be incredible. People can feel that they're upset or angry or grumpy or whatever way they want to say it. And it's because they have a dietary issue or they have so much stress built up that they need to release it by being more active or taking the time to quieten their mind.

So it is very courageous for people to take the time and say, listen, I'm willing to deal with the wrecking ball that's coming into my life because I want to make things better. And it's a dissatisfaction that will help you make new goals. And if I may share a little bit of an idea of when people are looking to make goals, they often ask me, how do you get motivation to have a goal.

And if I made sure, sure. Okay. I say to people about you so well, the idea that, you know, what, if you, you're thinking of about things, go to the future. One of the simplest examples, as you imagine five, 10 years into the future, what if you don't change your current situation? It could be financial you're struggling financially.

So you imagine, okay. If I continue in the same way in debt and I keep accumulating debt five, 10 years from now, I might be bankrupt. I may not be able to pay my home. Can't support my family. Okay. So Dan, you marched backward in time say, okay, what can I change now? Simply wanting to make my life better.

You could do that too as well. If you have children or you anticipate having children, imagine you have grandchildren and you can no longer bend down because your physical challenges that you have right now, don't you just starting like, just a little bit sore on your knees when you walk or a little bit back pain, but you're still very mobile.

But if you don't take care of those things, where will it end up be? Imagine the worst case scenario and then come back to say, okay, I haven't reached that wonderful. What can I do to change my life and what will make my life better? So you can get motivation by looking forward and then re we verse engineering to this moment in time.

And I always say to people, if you can't stick to a goal, And I would say that to yourself, Marcy, which sounds like you're able to make your goals and keep to them, is that it's because it's not the right goal. It's someone else's goal because the goal is that you really want to achieve lofty. I find myself as a chronic overachiever, someone who just jumps in with both feet, I find myself.

My first gut instinct is to make a really big goal. And you can't attain a really big goal overnight. It's better to have smaller micro goals of you if you will, so that you can reward yourself by achieving that smaller goal. And then you move the needle a little bit and you make a new goal. And eventually you've got all these little micro goals, which I guess is your way of changing one thing at a time.

It's kind of the same way of looking at it. And eventually you get the whole thing. But you don't have to do it in one big fell swoop, you know? I mean, nobody functions that way. Exactly. It's the compounding effect over time, the same as you know, to talk about compounding money for interest. And you look at the, you know, if you want to change your body to one way or another, if, if it's something you want to do, you need to do whatever it happens bit by bit.

And if you want to nourish your relationship, what about doing Tim one time a year, traditionally on Valentine's day or someone's birthday, it's every action that you take each day. You know, it's taking the time to call a friend, maybe once a day to call one of your friends or whatever is good for you.

Like what's possible, but you, you nourish it over time. And all those little steps, those small steps make a difference. I was chatting with a lady recently and she was talking about the biggest, this failure. She said that people in business they'll spend a lot of money on Mars, but they don't follow up with the past clients.

And I said, you know what? You could decide, you know, Each day, I will make one phone call to a Pasch line just to tank them for the business, not to try and sell them on anything, not to give them anything, just to tank them that they did business with you. And it gets you that into that mindset of being grateful.

Right? It's a very important thing. And the second thing is you're making contact with people that already, like what you do. So all of those things are small things. And, and as you know, you're a writer and you've written and I've written quite a bit of stuff to it. Probably not as much as you and people will say, I'm going to write a book and I'm going to sell it.

Well, I don't think that's true. Okay. Well, okay. Uh, but when I, when people say, you know, I'm gonna write a book and I can sell a million copies, I'm like, hang on a second here. Have you written the book yet? No. Okay. Have you written the chapter? No. Have you even started? No. Okay. Start small and then work on it because it can be very painful.

I remember reading this, um, uh, where a young man, he, he was, you know, he was going to write a book on his life story and a incredible story that he had. And I won't share much about it because I don't want it. People to think about it because he put it out that he was going to write the story. That's going to sell 10 million copies and everybody was, wow, this is great.

I'll buy a copy. Never wrote the book, but he felt, so it actually made a, he made his way through a very difficult psychological depression in his life. But the fact that he set himself up for this huge goal, right. And then realized, I don't really want to write a book. It's a lot actually mean you actually came back to be more depressed than he was just really sad.

And so, so there's complexities to making huge goals. If you have a huge goal sure. Have a huge goal, you know, go for beyond the moon and stars. But maybe sometimes it's not always good to put it out there because maybe it isn't really your goal because it is a very common thing when I meet people that are at our coaches in that.

And they say, Oh yeah, I want to have, you know, 10,000 clients. And they've got huge. There's all of the numbers. And I'm like, If I give them that person, what's the right word, but how do you manage 10,000 clients? Did you think about that? Do you have, could you deal with 10,000 clients? But that's a very good question for me.

If I can help one solitary person, right? That's what it's all about. You know, maybe one person listening. My go, I am David said that, or Marsha said that I can do that. But that's what I would say to people is pick one idea. One idea that you get work on it. If it doesn't work, change and do something else.

But if you try and apply multiple things at the same time, you're going to get a little bit frustrated. You won't be able to keep track of it. You won't see what's effective. And then as things change, you won't know what's responsible for the change. Exactly. Exactly. It's like doing a scientific experiment with more than one variable.

You can't exactly. Yes. And then that's when all those science kind of falls apart. And I have actually, there's, I'm pretty sure it's one of the tens, there's 10 items in 10 tips to health and happiness that I haven't in an ebook. That's 30 pages long, no fluff in it. That's anybody can get a copy of the, no charge from connecting with me.

And that's on my website. It's part of a whole group of things. And one of the things I put in there is to avoid being an eternal student. And that's the process where people will learn lots and lots and lots of stuff about, for example, personal development, but they actually never take anything and try and test it out and apply it.

I don't apply it. Right. Yeah. So we have so much information now to the internet. So many books that are produced. So many people read so much information. They go to so many seminars to listen to so many podcasts, and there is still at the same point in time that they were five, 10 years ago because they haven't.

Applied to something. So that comes back to what you talked about earlier about making a choice, making a decision, taking action and seeing how it works out. And if it doesn't work out, it's okay. Don't do it. You stopped doing it. You try something else. Exactly. Yep. So, so the wonder that that's the wonder technique, and in a nutshell, it's, it's, it's small goals trying one thing at a time, simplifying your process to find health and wellness, figure out what works for you.

That will be one way of expressing the winter technique gets broken down into many pieces. For example, I have 10 mini courses that people have access to, and one of them is how to sleep well and wake up energized. Another is how to focus your mind and concentrate. So the wonder technique in a general term is very much a holistic approach to personal development and my whole approach for anything that you want to change in your life.

Very good question. Marcy is all about taking small steps to work those things out and identifying what it is you need to work on. And a lot of times people know what they need to work on. They don't need assistance, but figuring out simply how to work on those things. That's one of the ways that I help a lot of people, because I simplify it, like to get a deeper night's sleep, you know, really to keep melatonin high so that your body is working on proper sleep.

You need to be in a dark room because light turns off melatonin. That's biological. A lot of people notice, but not really a lot of people don't Oh, I have to sleep in a cave. My husband could sleep at noon with the bright lights and the windows open. I can't sleep at all. Yeah. And, and so we need to identify what those things are.

And in your case, if you're in a room where he's asleep and he's got the light on and you put on something on your eyes, like there's, there's ways around it. Sure. To make things happen. So yes, the one technique is really about making complex things simple and helping people find a path when your life, even if it's looking for them to find their purpose, to identify what it is they need to work on.

Yes. So when I first read about it, I thought wonder might've been an acronym, but I think you're using the word to mean curiosity, right? That you're wondering about things, your technique actually at its core is an acronym, but I don't share the details of the acronym because, um, unless I'm working with people or at conferences and that, because then people think, Oh, that's all it is.

They Sue. They take it to simply, there's a re yeah. And inside of like, for example, there's lots of acronyms that I use. So some of them, but one of them actually, I share a lot and I will share right now, which is actually not my acronym. Full disclosure is the acronym halt. If people are thinking about making decisions, there's an acronym, H a L T, and I'll give you my new version of it because I've actually altered the acronym.

But if you're making a decision, if you're hungry, angry, lonely, or tired, these are not the times to make a decision. They need to wait. And then I added something on there because over time I taught, yeah. People can be hungry, they can be angry, lonely and target as in, at a time when we make poor decisions, when we're sick.

Yeah. We're feeling sad. We're feeling what, because there's all kinds of things that happen. We're biochemically out of balance. So I used, I put the S in front of halt and it makes the old English word shelt, like thou shalt not do something. So it's, I, I, yes, shelter. So now I would say to people, yeah, and like the articles on my website, S H a L T if you're sick, hungry, angry, lonely, or tired.

Yes. Shall not make a decision. Wait. And these will pass and you'll make better decisions. If you go to the store when you're hungry. No, you're going to buy stuff you don't need. If you make decisions about other relationship, when you're angry, if you feel what's going on in the world right now, because you're separated from people you feel okay.

I really feel lonely. And, and all those things that stream from that. This is not the right time for you to make a decision. And if you're tired, not a good time. So these are fundamental things that help. Like, I like the acronyms because it helps me remember and helps me give easy tools to people for them to remember as to how to do things.

Like when, for example, uh, when, in the course that I have on how to find your purpose, the word purpose is an acronym. So yes, there is many, many different acronyms that I do use and create to help people remember things. Marcy. Yeah. I was talking to somebody yesterday about this exact thing and I took notes.

That's what I'm trying to find. Probably not a good time to be looking for stumping, but he had a different term for the same thing. I can't think of what it is and I didn't write it down. So it's gone. Well, I liked the words. I like the words to me personally, halt is like, stop. It's a German word for stop.

So it's easy for me to remember and to link to it. So for example, when people say to me, you know, um, here's another one here that I rarely shared when I will give, because you asked about it. So I will put it in here to remember, to share with people as part of an event, the importance of hydration. I use the word water, and this is a treat because I've never shared this on a podcast.

You Ooh. Okay. W I? Okay. So w for weight management, the amount of water you drink will impact your weights, aches, and pains in your body. That's the letter, a after exercise, for example, you need to be properly hydrated. Okay. I'm going to mess around with the spelling of the word here. Okay. Okay. If you're the next week got T is for fatigue for tiredness.

Okay. Um, you're going to need to be properly hydrated. So you need to drink water, ease for elimination. People that are not properly hydrated. It's very hard for them to be eliminated. It eliminates the, from the body and orders for rest. Proper sleep is hard to do when you don't have a body that's proper, properly hydrated.

So there's 10. Pardon me to tea. Actually, I correct myself. My brain is I've got the notifications in my brain, not on my phone. The T is for tension and not for tiredness or is for rest and sleep tension like a headache. So tension in your body. So when I get up and I present on an event, I have these acronyms in my head, but that acronym is beautiful.

Why would you want to drink more water? There's the acronym. Use the word to remind, because I have seen acronyms that are interesting that our people have created, but the word is either. A word that doesn't exist. Right. And so your brain is trying to connect with something that's hard to remember already.

And then how can you remember what it's means? So when I say water, okay. Weight management, aches, and pains, tension in your body elimination rest. Bingo. Why do I need to drink water? It's in the word, right? So reasons right there, right there. So reasons why I I've mentioned it just a little bit, but to remind people, acronyms are a great way to help your memory.

If you get nervous once your university, one of the ways I used to remember things for tests, and that was, I created. Acronyms images things to do. It's a great memory cube. So I use it. I suggest to people as well. So if they're getting ready for a presentation, like, I mean, I, haven't part of the one technique, you know, when you're living on your purpose and you want to share with people and get out and present with people, what are your working as a coach?

What you're working as a professional speaker, it can be helpful for you to remember what you're going to get up and speak. Of course. Right. That's important. And I acronyms to help me remember because I'm actually a very shy and quiet person. So to help me remember when I got up in front of people, maybe hundreds, maybe more I needed to create a memory cue.

So I would use images and acronyms to do that. So that's a little secret that people listening to say, okay, so next time I do a presentation at work, whether it's on zoom or whether it's in person in the future, you can remember things easier. If you create something to attach it in your mind. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Yeah, my, my dad used to say stuff like that to me when I was, uh, a tiny little girl and he would help me study for tests and things for school. And he always had this, this image of our brain being a filing cabinet and that in each drawer, there are folders in each folder, there are papers. And so if I'm trying to study for a history test, then I have to figure out what file folder to put that knowledge in so that it attaches itself and has a place to be. And then remembering it was just a matter of accessing the right file folder in the right drawer. I've heard other people, describe it as like a skeleton and each, each idea or each memory or each thing that you're trying to remember has to have. , a framework onto which to attach itself. Yes.

Oh, it was appendages or, you know, things like that. , I would just say Marcy, I hear this because for me learning French to French language, I had to build up a certain amount of vocabulary at first. And I started looking at. What, and I know the word in English. So what is it in French? So we have car in English watcher and French.

Okay. So now when I hear the word watcher, I know it's car. So I was, , building out like neural connections based upon the words, if somebody could, there's some. Crazy humorous stories that I share with French people because they laugh at them because they know the words, but I misunderstood stuff when people would just talk in French in front of me.

I didn't know what the words meant. You make your own interpretation of what it is. Yes. So I was, I was so wrong in my misunderstanding when I was listening to people, but so what I needed to do is, like you said, the skeleton, I have all this framework in English and over time I've built up,  on top of that, the French language and I attached it.

So I was kind of working between two languages and now I'm comfortable enough that I can talk. Yes, exactly. I, I have my questioning always as to what, or am I living in the French language or is my brain just on super high speed? And it's translating so fast that I think I'm in the French language either way.

It's still working. Right. It's working exactly right. Part must, might be a little bit more fatiguing than the first one, but Oh yeah. The first part is really hard when you don't understand. I used to get like, really my brain would be like, I gotta stop here because I'm just so lost. Yeah. It's really weird when you watch TV now and I can hear it being translated in English and in the background, I can hear it in French and I'm like, hang on a second here.

That's not actually even right. Like, you could see the difference between them. Like if you watch a movie that's in French with English subtitles, like that's not what they meant. This really interesting. Like I wonder if that's a humorous aside. So yeah, we'd learned high school and, uh, I studied Spanish as a second language and I was pretty good at it, but I didn't have a lot of.

Vehicles or we're time to practice. So it didn't sort of stick into my brain all that much. When I got to college as an English major, I had a very old advisor who changed my schedule for me without my permission. And because I had registered for a Spanish class, my freshman year at a university, and he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I was an English literature major. You should be studying French, not Spanish. What the hell? I was 18? I didn't know. I could say, well, that's not what I know. So I went into this French class and I, the professor. Was only speaking to us. She wouldn't give us any written materials. She wouldn't write anything down that she was saying, she wouldn't let us take notes because there was nothing to write down.

She wanted us to just train our ears and just do it automatically. But I know my brain doesn't work that way. And because of how, at least from my experience, French was not phonetic. You know, you could say Caska say, and I don't know what the heck that looks like. You know? So I, I don't know what you're saying.

So it sort of shocks my brain and I can't make sense out of it once I see it. And then I hear it, then I own it, then it's mine. Okay. And so I had a really hard time and I was struggling with English translations and. I couldn't get myself past that point where I was translating in my head. So writing, I was kind of okay, because I had time speaking for get no worse, no way.

That's really interesting. Marshy would say this. Cause I was on a, um, a podcast with, uh, Brittany and we were talking about language acquisition and she works with, uh, with children, with language students, probably children. And she talked about different ways, how we acquire language. And as a young child, we acquired languages very slowly at first, a very small vocabulary.

You know, we, if we're. In a English speaking environment, we'll pass a cup to a child and say cup, or, you know, they learn the first word or Papa or Dudley start with nouns. Right? Exactly. And so they start to get a sense of things and they build up vocabulary over time. And I remembered that when I was in Ireland and I was studying Gaelic and I literally have two sentences probably, um, from Gaelic because how we studied it was, they tried to get us to memorize the verbs.

Okay. And they gov his poetry to memorize. How can you learn a language that way and not a lie static. Exactly. So if I see something funny or people like when I went to Italy for a little bit, and I was looking in the stores, particularly for the foods and that's okay, so that's water ICWA, you know, I'm like, okay, okay.

I can make sense these things, you know, and you, you look at different things and you start to build a vocabulary, but this is how a child learns they bit by bit. They assembled things. And as an adult where. I've had this experience. Exactly. Some of my children have said that, you know, to go to a class on German and the teacher doesn't explain anything, just speaks in German.

Like you mentioned about French. I like, well, hang on. How are you supposed to be able to frame that in your brain? If you have never, ever, and you don't it. So the elementary French one class, like I know nothing. And she was going in there. Like I had taken four years of French. I. And just becomes a frustration and becomes actually a mental blockage, which is actually normal because you're starting off way too fast.

You know what, when people learn how to drive a car, you don't just stick them on the highway. Now, Linda the highway, and just say, okay, let's go. You start slowly in a parking lot. Or you take classes like this. So why would we do a language? So this is w w we're talking about language, but anyway, we want to learn, like, you go to the gym, just start small.

You start small. You, you work on learning something at the gym. You start ever. So slowly you work on posture movement, and then you add more weight, but you just don't go into the gym and grab a huge barbell and try and do it or muscles and kill yourself. Yeah, exactly. And they'd show you off a boat in the middle of the ocean.

Okay. Learn to swim. I know some people, you know, their stories about how people go on to swim that way, but you think about it. It's if you learn the process, the dynamic, and it seems to be a lot easier and lots. And if you ramp it up quicker, Great. If you feel okay. Like for me, like when some things, when I get into a topic, I'm really I'm really into it and I will learn rapidly the topic.

And I'm so focused on it, but that depends if it's a topic in school where students are being told, you have to learn this, but they have no motivation. This is where, what, everything, when it comes all the way back to permission to heal, what's your all about here is that we need to work on ourselves as maybe a final point to share.

We need to go slow down. We need to say, what can, what one thing can I do per day? And actually something I would like to share right now is that it's very, very important for us to take silence into our lives again. Yes. To have our phone on airplane, turn it off, go and find a space in your own home that you can be alone.

Put a do not disturb sign on the door, I'll be available at eight o'clock. In other words, tell them, you know, I'm going for an hour, but this is when the time is so people know. Oh, okay. Yeah. They're not coming out yet. And make that your own space where you can sit and be quiet and have a chance to be with yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can, you know what, making things simple and not so complicated. And so many people have different versions of meditation, but if you sit down and put your hand on your heart and one hand on your stomach and you feel your heart beating and your stomach rising and falling, as you breathe, I'm doing it now.

Yeah. It automatically forces you to, to be centered. Yeah. Yeah. And when I do something like that, I will just feel the air coming in and out of my mouth. That's all I'm taking. Um, that's all my focuses and right into the actual experience. I don't use any apps I don't use. I mean, fine if you want to.

That's great. But I'm thinking if I'm dependent on an app, I'm dependent on something external to me and I always try and bring things. What can I do if I'm on a desert Island on my own, if I want it to be able to be quiet so I can sit there and just breathe. So like, uh, activities that we do by rote, like folding laundry or washing a dish, I find the sensory of folding the towels and how the cloth feels and how many times I'm folding it and the shape I'm folding it into, or the, the feel of the water and the soap around the glass that I'm washing.

I find the sensory of that helpful in getting myself quiet. Brilliant. Yes. Like meditation, washing dishes. Yeah. People just many different things. If you go into the experience, as I mentioned at the beginning, like when I'm rock climbing, I'm in that experience and people are shouting out, you know, cause they have a different opinion.

Oh, you should go this way. That way, many times I'll just say, no, I'm not listening. I'm here, I'm in this. And I need to keep in tune with myself. I can't be dependent on something outside. So my rock climbing is part of my meditation. Yeah. Yeah. Even activities. Like I find painting to be a very meditative thing because it's not text-based and I'm just focusing on color and the brush strokes and doing whatever it is I'm doing with the painting.

And it allows so much extra space and time for my brain to do its thing on wind process, relax, whatever it's doing. Um, I even found like during very. Difficult periods of my life that even teaching my class was somewhat meditative in just maybe not meditative, but mindful because I was forced in order to do my job.

Well, I had to focus on the needs of those 25 kids in my room and the lesson at hand. And it stopped me from perseverating over things that were causing me, anxiety or worrying about other stuff, or, you know, all those other extraneous things that in this moment, not only did I have no control over, but they had no place in what I was doing.

So just focusing on that one thing. Was really a blessing. Yes. And you can apply to it in all different parts of your life. You know, when you have a meal and sit down, I'll have a meal soon with my children and they will, you know, you put the, you put the phone away, you just it's, it's out of, I don't care if it rings it's I'm in this experience, I'm going to sit down and be in that experience and listen, and you're wanting to build conversation with somebody else.

They're the most important one at that time. If you want to tell them they're not important, grab your phone. And yeah, we had a no phone rule when the kids were growing up. That's it? Which is great. Yeah. You kind of, you create a frame around it. Yeah, that's true. We talked about our day and it was a family activity.

Yes. For that half hour, you can put that away. Yeah. Which is awesome. This is a great time. Well, this has been fabulous, David. I loved this conversation. So many useful, tangible, actionable. Small, simple, delightful things we can all do today. Thank you. That's my goal, but it's like to bring this to everybody and I can get complicated.

I can get deep in the science and everything with people want to, if they want to contact me and learn, this is a little more complex, but my goal is always to try and make it that there's a simple pathway for people. So if I may sure, uh, I mentioned a little bit before about the ebook on my website. If people go to the wonder, there's a little sign up, they get my newsletter, but they also get this 10 steps to health and happiness.

They also, I don't know if I send them to your Mars, Marcy. Um, there's a template where they can print off these little mini motivational cards. Let's see this one here. I am peaceful in all I do. Yeah. And these little cards here, people, you know, they print it off, they can cut them up, they can put it, slip it into their spouses, you know, wallet, purse, hide in their lunchbox, do it with the children.

I call it positive litter. If you leave it on the bus, you know what a beautiful technical find something. That's a motivational car. So that's in there. There's also a better sleep checklist. That's in that package. That's for free. There's a book, a little book of quotations, and there's also a poster of positive quotes that people can print off and stick on her desk at work or at home.

And it's it's and it's all in the present tense where it's like, I feel happy. I feel creative. You're you're teaching. You're talking to yourself in positive ways. So there you go. Reprogramming the machine. With positive ideas. Exactly. Excellent, simpler, easier ways. Brilliant. Brilliant. I love the simplicity.

It's excellent. Um, so if those of you who are listening, if you scroll down into the show notes, I will have, um, placed there for your ease, uh, live links, to the wonder and all manner of being able to get getting in contact with David Hennessy. And, um, I wish you the freedom to give yourself permission to heal and to move forward through your day with joy.

Wonderful. Thank you, Marcy.